Comments:
Official Gang Liaison says:
[Mar 16th @ 11:44am]
If Larkin is going to start cutting deals with gangs, she has my vote. I suggest taking it further and paying them out of the budget to replace campus security. SMU kids violate our turf? I don't think so.
Union Criers! Brilliant! Be sure to hire that guy in front of the SUB who wants you to know about Jesus, he has plenty of experience.
Larkin and Gault both have an impressive stance on sustainability: let the Sustainability Office do its job while the VPI makes sure it happens. Isn't it great when you can target a hot-button issue without making any actual promises whatsoever?
Anonymous DSUer says:
[Mar 16th @ 01:11pm]
...you know, Hillman's platform actually sounds pretty good. I wouldn't mind seeing him win.
Ian says:
[Mar 16th @ 11:23pm]
Actually, I kinda like the idea of a union crier... that would definitely get news out. Nobody pays attention to posters, especially at a university... but someone actually talking about something might get some attention.
The "Improving Metro Transit" idea is dead in the water... Metro Transit would love to expand its routes, they just can't afford to. Period, end of story... and the DSU just doesn't have that much leverage with them.
Putting the Dawgfather in the SUB isn't going to happen either... can't easily replace SodexHo, and even if you could, any other contract signed would be similarly exclusive. That's just the way it's going to be.
Re: Deborat and the Gazette, the Gazette isn't and shouldn't be a DSU mouthpiece... I believe the DSU gets some free ad space already, if not they can always purchase some... or they could just use one of their many websites for communications.
Gregorian says:
[Mar 17th @ 02:46pm]
Nobody stated that the Dawgfather would replace food services that are currently contracted out.
Simply give the man a little cover at the front of the building so students do not have to eat snow with their jalapenos. Give the man a place for his stand that is sanctioned by the Union. That is all that was suggested.
"Union Criers" are a key component of the cure for student apathy.
The Gazette would get more involvement and better support if the Union was receiving the same. The parallel apthy problems for both seem some how correlated. After the Presidential Debate, there was a young lady out front that was vehemently angry bout trying to gain access to the Gazette, but facing a barrier of a similar "in crowd" at the Gazette.
The Gazette faces fairly similar problems as the union if take out a few factors.
JP says:
[Mar 17th @ 06:56pm]
The problems with student apathy do not stem from Dal. If they did, one would reasonably expect to find a non-apathetic student body somewhere in Canada.
The hubris that created your silly belief that apathy has anything to do with Dal and nothing to do with parenting and the social construction of childish adults is staggering.
Thanks for the giggles.
Gregorian says:
[Mar 18th @ 05:59pm]
There was a recent student union election, at a Canadian university, that had a voter turnout just below 50%. I think it was SMU, but I am likely wrong.
mike says:
[Mar 18th @ 07:07pm]
It was St. FX, I actually mentioned it myself in the
Day 5 wrap-up.
First, you can't really compare a 5,000 person university to a 15,000 one. It's a very different environment in which to reach people. Even at 50%, that's only 2,500 people who voted - fewer than at Dalhousie last year. Most of voter turnout is due to candidates' friends and friends of friends; that circle of friends makes a much bigger dent in 5,000 people than it does in 15,000.
Second, voter turnout isn't necessarily an indicator of lack of apathy. That was the result of an all-out, year-long effort to get voters, not to increase student involvement. It involved councillors, staff, and executives. It's wonderful, it's a real accomplishment, but we have to remember that their goal was to get people to fill out a ballot, not to cure student apathy. We know they achieved their goal; we don't know if they cured student apathy.
Gregorian says:
[Mar 18th @ 09:56pm]
Point taken.
It would be wonderful if 7,500 Dalhousie students cared enough to vote like St FX.
Your suggestion of "friends telling friends" seems to point at the power a "political clique" can hold in a much larger school though. If the effect you describe is multiplicative, then a group already firmly established in knowledge and fraternity (surrounding an organisation)would hold a severe social advantage over others.
Do you agree? If not,why?
mike says:
[Mar 18th @ 10:35pm]
Yes and no. :)
No because the "friend of friends" thing applies to everyone, regardless of their involvement in the DSU.
No because there is no inside-the-Beltway conspiracy to control the DSU; if there were, you would never see two sitting VPs run against each other.
No because if you show up at Council and want to get involved, the 'clique' welcomes you with open arms. It's only when you run against them that they get bitchy. :)
No because about 1,500 of Dal's votes are from DSU "insiders" or within a circle of friends, but the remainder do come from students with no such associations (these numbers are approximate, but I believe fairly accurate). And often, when you look at the voting trends, these people will vote for the experienced DSUer. That's not because they are part of the "in" clique. My feeling is that in general, people like to 'promote from within' for the executive positions. They want someone with experience and a proven record. People from outside the "in" clique are regularly elected to Senate and BoG positions. It's like most other political arenas; you don't get elected premier or president as an unknown. (I should add that the history of the DSU is replete with cases where people from outside the inner circle have won executive positions, though I agree it is less common). An obvious exception is those very dissatisfied with the current state of the Union and pushing for change.
Yes because everything is easier the second time - campaigning, running, shoring up support, dealing with abuse from MikeSmit.com.
Yes because it is a definite head start if you have strong support from the current power base. Not only will they vote for you - leaving everyone else playing catch-up - but they'll encourage others to vote for you.
Yes because it is those inside the "inner circle", if such a thing exists, who are most likely to know about the positions and seek the positions. Granted, they made the choice to get involved and find these positions, but the point remains.